Would You Want To Live Longer?

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We start with an update on Nancy; Debbie spent a week with her and has a good report. Then, we discuss a recent survey that says the majority of Christians don’t think that living to 100 or 120 would be good for society.
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Would You Want To Live Longer? — 30 Comments

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  2. Dear Chuck and Nancy,
    Jan and I are grateful for Debbie’s report on Nancy’s upgraded condition; we are very thankful for this answer to prayer and positive report. Jan and I have prayed for both of you in a special manner since we learned of Nancy’s cancer, several weeks ago. We pray for you too, Chuck, for wisdom, for good health and strength, and for safety in all of your travels…we love you both ‘in the Lord’, and are thankful for the unique ministry the Lord has opened up through both of you, to be an encouragement for all of us! We are committed to continue to pray for you as we all live in these [unusual] troublesome times; praying again for His almighty hand to lead you both, and guide you as you study, speak and minister to many ‘far and wide’ on this earth we are privileged to live on. For Jan and I, August 17,2013, marked 25 years since Jan’s last chemotherapy and our wonderful Lord healed her from breast cancer.

  3. I think it would be a living testimony to live to be 120. I think if someone finds the Lord(or he finds them) at an early enough age, that it is very possible to live to be 120 years in this day and age. It would be a great accomplishment.
    I believe that once you go through the experience of realizing that there is more to our existence than salvation alone, that God changes you. He makes you curious. With that knowledge you could make better choices as far as where you live, and what you eat, and even how to take care of yourself to avoid so many modern day illnesses.To have that type of knowledge at an early age before your body succumbs to the pollutions and poisons of this world. There are some people who live in remote areas where little has changed their diet, and little pollution is in their environment…like this one man in Bolivia who is 117 now and still has all his faculties and can get around at a slow pace(but still on his own) and he chews on Coca leaves. Though he doesnt have many teeth…he still manages just fine. Like I am 49 and I have no teeth, and it doesnt affect my ability to eat. 🙂
    This old man takes no prescription medications* I find this very interesting. There are some cultures who use all natural remedies for illnesses. I think sometimes the cure is actually what is killing us. Even though they may be made from natural ingredients, many are not, or the dose has been made so potent that its good affect is lost. Coca leaves may be helpful for many things, but mans’ influence has turned it into poison for many people! I do believe that all that God makes is good, but when man interferes and tampers with the pharmalogical basis of theraputics… he ramps up the drug into something our bodies were never meant to process as such speed. Thus, overdosing us.

    • Hi, Dana,
      I am very interested in responding to your comments about life and the hazards to our health and the potential of living to 120. I am hoping my comments might help Nancy Missler with her decision at this time for or against radiation. If it seems right, please pass on my contact information to Nancy.

      I am a traditionally trained physician, trained at the best institutions, and now in practice with patients for 22+ years. I was struck very early on in the practice of medicine at how ineffective our treatments often are, and often how debilitating. Medicine, probably rightly so, has aimed its efforts at the most seriously ill and affected of those afflicted. (That is another whole discussion.) Little attention, until recently, has been given to the causes of the “inevitable” decline of health and how it might be prevented. Obvious trends in aging and loss of health have been viewed as unavoidable, and efforts only aimed at lessening the discomforts or delaying death.

      However, science has in recent years had an outpouring of those who do not accept that approach. Admittedly, like the rest of the scientific world, most of their motivation probably comes from a standpoint of rebellion against God, and perhaps from an attempt to outsmart God in the sense of the curse. As in everything however, God uses the evil hearts of men to accomplish good. (No doubt Satan, too, will utilize these findings.) I read the Bible as saying that in the millennial kingdom, health and loss of it will not be inevitable, that when a person dies at the age of 100, his death will be grieved as though a baby had died if compared to our current expectations.

      Much more now is understood about the progressive and somewhat predictable loss of normal body function, advance of disease, and ultimate death. For example, for some reason, loss of hormones has traditionally been viewed as an EFFECT of aging. It was overlooked that the “curve” that is diagrammed to depict aging is essentially identical to the curve of the loss of hormones, the rapid decline of aging beginning shortly after the rapid decline in hormone production. Now it is clearly understood (by anyone who takes a little time to study it) that loss of hormones is largely a CAUSE of aging. As hormones fall, health declines. It is certainly not the only cause of aging, but IS certainly one of the major causes. When the loss of hormones is mitigated, much of aging is stopped or improved. When the loss of hormones is NOT mitigated, aging accelerates. With each subsequent step of damage, aging accelerates further, so that the last 20 years of life sees an astonishing degree of damage as compared to the first 50 or even 60 years. I simply give that as an example.

      There is an emergence of what is being referred to as “Anti-Aging” medicine which is devoting itself to determining what defines aging, finding its causes, and how to reverse those causes or stop them before they occur, while also attempting to reverse the damage done as a consequence of those causes. I think that is what you are referring to. It is already underway.
      I have focused my studies outside the arena of cancer and am not the expert who could speak to Nancy’s need, but there are experts out there. Traditional cancer treatments, such as chemo or radiation, have aimed themselves at finding normal and essential functions of all cells and attacking them, on the principle that when cells are attacked, cancer cells are among them. The hope is that the cancer cells will succumb to the attack before normal cells, and that the normal will survive and not the cancer. Newer Anti-Aging concepts are based on finding those vulnerabilities of cancer cells WHERE THEY DIFFER FROM NORMAL CELLS, and attacking them on that basis. For example, many cancer cells do not have normal response to insulin and glucose metabolism, so to create extremes of insulin and glucose metabolism is well defended by normal cells, but not by these cancer cells. I (again) give that simply as an example.

      For Believers, if we believe that God created us in perfection, with an ability to live indefinitely. The Fall led to the loss of that perfection in a progression. Much of the work Believers are called to on earth is to minister to others in lessening the effect of or the processes of the curse (medicine has always worked to reverse or lessen the effect of the curse). I have to believe that it may be within our grasp to find those causes and actually learn how to avoid them or reverse them. (Only God could grant that!) You are certainly right, the more a person has travelled down that road of decline, the more difficult is the reversal. But perhaps in our day God is placing that within our reach. I agree that scripture seems to have limited our lives to a potential of 120 years (as after Noah’s generation), and by the time of David that had declined to 80. Science has found that the high end is 120, as with the cultures you mention. Without thinking we can outsmart God or be higher than He is, I think it behooves Christians to attempt this pursuit along with the pursuit of clean living (both physically and spiritually). We certainly all will die the first death, but how long and how much quality that life has is changeable.

      I am hoping Nancy can make some contact with someone who might give her this view of things from the perspective of the type of cancer she had. I am hoping I was called to read this post (and today also Nancy’s most recent post) so that I could be a help to Nancy, if nothing more than bring her into contact. God bless you (us) every one.

      • Thank you for your thoughtful reply, Dr. Harrison. We will be sure to bring your comment to Nancy’s attention. The newer approach to treat cancer sounds like a great shift in thinking!

    • Good points, all, Dana! So good that you prompted someone else to join in the discussion (Dr. Renee Harrison). Personally, I think the choices you mention about what we eat and our exposure to environmental poisons it spot-on.

  4. I think if we consider the question of living longer lives being good society in the perspective of the early Old Testament (pre-flood), than yes, it would be good for society.

    I gained a bit of perspective when I found out that because of the long lives the early humans lived, Noah’s parents knew Adam and Eve’s children – or at least lived in the same time period and probably lived in close enough proximity to know them.

    With this in mind, I considered how that would play out in today’s world. How much better would our education be if we could learn of the settling of the U.S. from Christopher Columbus, or how much better would our technology be if our scientists could collaborate with Thomas Jefferson and improve our electrical infrastructure.

    I think living long lives would definitely be beneficial to society, as long as these lives were capable of being lived to their fullest, instead of as one person commented that they will soon be in a wheel chair.

  5. Nan has been very blessed, she works for The Lord and He has been her strength . As to living to be 100, in 13 years I shall be ,and it is not a good thought, am fairly handicapped now , wheel.-chair next, who wants that. am still driving though and that is a great blessing. Shalom to all Yahweh’s servants.

  6. We’ve been praying for Nan. I visited this site to find out how she is doing. We are encouraged to hear the update from Debbie!
    Chuck and Nan touch the Church all over the world (I’m writing from Kenya) and are a great blessing in our Christian walk as we serve & look forward to the Master’s return. Love you. God bless & keep you!

    • Thank you, Nangi. We just sent out a letter from Nan to everyone. It’s also posted here on the website; it can be found in the menu bar under, “Update On Nancy Missler”. She gives much more information so I think you will be encouraged. There is still a need for prayer, as she explains.

  7. I thank the Lord for his strength and the health He has given me. I am 91 and still working one day a week and driving my car. My two sisters lived over 100
    years. One 101 and other 102 died on her birthday. We have nothing to do with how
    long we live. It is all by the grace of God. Yes, there are lots of changes as the
    days go by but the Lord is the same, yesterday,today and forever.

  8. Thank you and the comments have dealt with the subject very well. Our church has a ministry for over 60s called the living tree ministry.
    I have a vision of a great old fruit tree having at least one more great harvest.
    Our over seventies are busy serving their families church and community. Being equipped and equipping the church as well as evangelizing. Jesus is coming back soon so will any of us make it to 120.

  9. Chuck and Nancy
    Just keep serving the Lord with a joyful heart not matter how old or young you are.
    We are the servants of the Lord, with no privileges, respect! Yes, reach to people
    You are mature enough to understand life will change when we get older. We did it when we were younger, but always had someone older that reached to me. Young people need you, but you need to reach to them first. We need to apply what the Bible teaches us. We Servants, Slaves for the cause of Christ, so act upon that!
    Love you ministry
    Martha

    • Thank you Martha for a refreshing perspective. I think you have done especially well to be involved in the activities that let you cross paths with young people. Just today I was thinking about how much more knowledge and wisdom I have to offer my grandchildren than I did to my children. Your comments remind me that it goes beyond the family, too.

  10. Nancy and Chuch We Love You in Christ!
    I think God will take us whatever is our time. I am 70 years old working with joy in my heart for the things of the Lord. Don’t expect from people to reach to you, you are an adults, you are supposed to reach to them. In my church the young people are happy to see me when we go out to witness on Saturdays.
    Many times adult christian don’t show the joy of the Lord in their faces, so nobody wants to reach to them. It’s not how old your are, it is all about your attitude.
    We are the servants of the Lord, we don’t need special treatment, because our age, respect Yes!
    but we need to talk to the young people from our hearts, no fake talk, they will know when you are not real. Try it! You will be blessed. We can do ALL things through Christ, just apply what the Bible teach us.
    Thank you
    Martha

  11. I love the concept of living to be 100-120 (my grandmother lived to be 95). With the signs of the times, I’m not sure that anyone that is 60 or under, will have the opportunity. I have long said that I want to be here as long as I’m doing my Fathers work! When that stops, when I’ve completed that, I have no desire to be here. God is good, righteous and just in all that He does, and His timing is perfect. Our goals are for His will to be my will and not mine to be his!

    I see so much work that I want to accomplish for His glory. To point the lost souls that are out there to Him, that 100 years, doesn’t even begin to be enough time.

    I pray for Nan and the ministry God has put together so wonderfully! And thank Him for the growth I’ve had because of the work He’s allowed for you to do!

  12. I have recently become 80yo, and I have to admit I never realized what that would mean. Most people ignore me, or look at me pleasantly but totally ignore what I say. I am more forgetful, but frankly, it is not as bad as some of the ones who brush me off! Our society has decided to teach less to children, when God knows, now they need to know a lot more! And they have pushed a lot of us aside, when WE HAVE THE EXPERIENCE THEY NEED TO SURVIVE! I used to ask God to bless America, but I now wonder: what of the real America is left?

    • Joan, you bring up an excellent point. With my father’s passing this year, I am seeing my mother go through the same experience you describe. I hope the church will listen and connect better with you very soon. You have much to offer, especially to those of us who have been through the “dumbing down” process that started many decades ago.
      When people are pushed aside, bitterness can develop instead of love. That’s true no matter how old we are, but especially when it seems all of society has tossed them aside. May the church show Agape instead!

  13. I am in my 60’s and to live to be 120 I would only be half way there. Yet I am torn by the fact I WANT to be with the Lord face to face. I want to be with my family in heaven both blood and spiritual family. I want to stand before the throne of God because I love Him and want to be that close. I do care about spreading the Gospel here on earth and I care about raising up leaders in the body but I am like Paul I am twixted betweeen the two whether to stay or go on. I think many who have intimate relationships with the Lord want to be with their bridegroom and are really wanting the marriage feast to take place. I do not think it is a bad thing to want that. We are torn but if I were given a choice at this moment to stay or go home — I would fly away into the arms of my Beloved.

  14. Hi family

    Great stuff and thank you for the update on Nan. Everyday the Lord tarries we have the opportunity to share Jesus Christ with someone who does not know him. Please pray that the Lord will give each of us a new person to share with today.

    In His Love
    Rick
    Joshua 1:9

  15. I believe we should look at the Biblical model of Moses. He matured physically and intellectually in his first 40 years. The second forty years he spent on the “backside of the desert” developing the fruit of the spirit that is so necessary when we minister to others. His ministry did not actually begin until he reached 80 and he ministered until 120. I speak from the age of 73 and I now realize that I am just now beginning to understand the basics of how to listen to God, how to receive from Him, and how to live and function “in the spirit” where He lives. We have eons ahead of us to live in His presence…let’s try to be the servant he needs in his vineyard for as long as possible. It is time for mature sons of God to bring in the harvest! Ministering the gifts of the Spirit in the absence of mature fruit of the Spirit is sometimes not wise.

    • Bettie, your comment gave me one of those why-didn’t-I-think-of-that moments. Thank you for sharing! (Maybe it’s because I haven’t even reached 60 yet…)
      I’ll have to chew on your last comment. It goes well with this verse “But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.” (Heb 5:14)

      • Hi Tim,
        Thanks for your comments. Your verse from Hebrews is an excellent illustration of what I meant. We have seen ministries fall because those who built the ministry through the use of their giftings were not mature enough (fruit of the spirit) to handle the acclaim or the responsibility. I didn’t mean the gifts shouldn’t be ministered, but that the minister needs to be under instruction until he is mature, even as he is ministering. Thus, the need for a “long life” while we learn, and then teach and guide, as Paul taught Timothy, and Moses taught Joshua.

        I am still learning and Chuck and Nancy have been great teachers. I only wish I could literally “sit at their feet”. Praise God for the internet!
        Bettie

  16. Small ministry?
    I know you have a big heart in God’s eyes and in mine you are BIG ministry!

    Thank you
    My love to Nan and Chuck

    neil

  17. I agree with the above comment ” Let Thy will be done Lord ”
    I must say that I look so forward to the blessed hope ! Come Lord Jesus !

  18. Gosh no, sometimes I feel so much that this world is not my home, but as always I have to say ‘Let Thy will be done.

    • I agree. I know I have a purpose here, and I will be here as long as He sees fit. I am so looking forward to His Kingdom though. Come Lord Jesus, come.

    • I feel honored that the Holy Spirit does the Father’s work through me, he is not limited to me, and like Jesus teaching and equipping his disciples to carry on his work, we need to do the same for each generation. Asking the Father to raise up our replacements.

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